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** Swiss and German decks have the ''Unter'' and ''Ober'' -- two servants instead of one servant and a queen or one servant and a knight. I'm not too big a fan of this, but we could take it anyway.

** [[w:500 (card_game)#Six-handed 500|Some variations]] of the card game 500 use a French-suited deck that has numbered cards going up to 13. Only red 13s are found in this version.

** Very strange idea: chess pieces? King, Queen, and Knight are already attested. Could we bring in Bishops and Rooks? Pawns can just be the pip cards. --[[User:CodeTriangle|CodeTriangle]] ([[User talk:CodeTriangle|talk]]) 05:58, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

** The biggest source for new ranks is probably [[w:Major Arcana|the Tarot deck's Major Arcana]], which can provide 22 new ranks.

*** These should probably be treated a bit differently than most other cards.

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** In a departure from poker, we will want to change the rankings to reflect what hands are actually the hardest to create.

** We may want to dip into [[w:Non-standard poker hand|Non-standard poker hand]]s.

** I think we should focus on combinations of specific ranks and/or suits as trading for particular cards rather than any random card of a set ~~adds more strategy~~.

** I think we should focus on combinations of specific ranks and/or suits as trading for particular cards rather than any random card adds more strategy.

*** I have no ideas for this. Maybe a lot of jokes about the roles the cards play? Things in the vein of Nyhilo's suggestion of "So only 1 Klink, Rose, and Zeph is needed to create a Modteam. 3 card hand"

*** They don't have to be unique types of hands, though. Like a Royal Flush is just one kind of flush, some of these can be a specific version of another, broader type of hand. A king plus two or more knights could be a round table, for instance. --[[User:CodeTriangle|CodeTriangle]] ([[User talk:CodeTriangle|talk]]) 05:58, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

** Hand ideas:

*** Regional hands: include every suit from one of the four decks that we pull suits from (French, German, Swiss, or Spanish). For example, a Spanish four-of-a-kind could be the tens of Clubs, Swords, Cups, and Coins. This makes Hearts, Clubs, Bells, and Acorns the most valuable cards since they can be used in multiple regions' hands. This works best for four-card hands.

*** Same-suit N-of-a-kind: it will no longer be trivial to collect a lot of cards of the same suit and rank. If you have five kings of swords, for example, that would rank much higher than a normal five-of-a-kind.

*** Even longer sets and runs: Drawing inspiration from rummy, what if you can put out any set or run of cards, as long as you want (up to some reasonable maximum; for runs this is clearly just the number of distinct ranks, for sets the number of suits seems appropriate). To make this work, we might need to switch to a system where hands are scored based on multipliers rather than ranked from a table -- that would also allow us to implement the other set variants described above on lots of different hand types with maybe a little less overhead. --[[User:CodeTriangle|CodeTriangle]] ([[User talk:CodeTriangle|talk]]) 05:58, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

I'd love to hear everyone's ideas on this. Make sure to sign your name if you make any comments on the above. --[[User:CodeTriangle|CodeTriangle]] ([[User talk:CodeTriangle|talk]]) 23:36, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

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 ** Swiss and German decks have the ''Unter'' and ''Ober'' -- two servants instead of one servant and a queen or one servant and a knight. I'm not too big a fan of this, but we could take it anyway.
 ** [[w:500 (card_game)#Six-handed 500|Some variations]] of the card game 500 use a French-suited deck that has numbered cards going up to 13. Only red 13s are found in this version.
+** Very strange idea: chess pieces? King, Queen, and Knight are already attested. Could we bring in Bishops and Rooks? Pawns can just be the pip cards. --[[User:CodeTriangle|CodeTriangle]] ([[User talk:CodeTriangle|talk]]) 05:58, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 ** The biggest source for new ranks is probably [[w:Major Arcana|the Tarot deck's Major Arcana]], which can provide 22 new ranks.
 *** These should probably be treated a bit differently than most other cards.
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 ** In a departure from poker, we will want to change the rankings to reflect what hands are actually the hardest to create.
 ** We may want to dip into [[w:Non-standard poker hand|Non-standard poker hand]]s.
-** I think we should focus on combinations of specific ranks and/or suits as trading for particular cards rather than any random card of a set adds more strategy.
+** I think we should focus on combinations of specific ranks and/or suits as trading for particular cards rather than any random card adds more strategy.
+*** I have no ideas for this. Maybe a lot of jokes about the roles the cards play? Things in the vein of Nyhilo's suggestion of "So only 1 Klink, Rose, and Zeph is needed to create a Modteam. 3 card hand"
+*** They don't have to be unique types of hands, though. Like a Royal Flush is just one kind of flush, some of these can be a specific version of another, broader type of hand. A king plus two or more knights could be a round table, for instance. --[[User:CodeTriangle|CodeTriangle]] ([[User talk:CodeTriangle|talk]]) 05:58, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
+** Hand ideas:
+*** Regional hands: include every suit from one of the four decks that we pull suits from (French, German, Swiss, or Spanish). For example, a Spanish four-of-a-kind could be the tens of Clubs, Swords, Cups, and Coins. This makes Hearts, Clubs, Bells, and Acorns the most valuable cards since they can be used in multiple regions' hands. This works best for four-card hands.
+*** Same-suit N-of-a-kind: it will no longer be trivial to collect a lot of cards of the same suit and rank. If you have five kings of swords, for example, that would rank much higher than a normal five-of-a-kind.
+*** Even longer sets and runs: Drawing inspiration from rummy, what if you can put out any set or run of cards, as long as you want (up to some reasonable maximum; for runs this is clearly just the number of distinct ranks, for sets the number of suits seems appropriate). To make this work, we might need to switch to a system where hands are scored based on multipliers rather than ranked from a table -- that would also allow us to implement the other set variants described above on lots of different hand types with maybe a little less overhead. --[[User:CodeTriangle|CodeTriangle]] ([[User talk:CodeTriangle|talk]]) 05:58, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 I'd love to hear everyone's ideas on this. Make sure to sign your name if you make any comments on the above. --[[User:CodeTriangle|CodeTriangle]] ([[User talk:CodeTriangle|talk]]) 23:36, 6 July 2021 (UTC)